Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide- How much to use? UPDATED!

I am trying out using 35% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide in my animal's water as a disease preventative and to promote good health.

I have done my calulations and conversions using the measuring tools I have here. As a preventative (you can go much higher as a treatment!) I am putting 10ml in each 5 gallon pail and filling them to the 4 gallon mark. For those of you who use Hydrogen Peroxide, does this sound about right?

Also, please share your experiences. Do you notice a difference in your animal's health or is it just a bunch of bunkum?

Sue

Hubby uses food grade HP on himself and chases ill people with a bottle claiming it as a cure all. I say bunkum.

uno wrote:Hubby uses food grade HP on himself and chases ill people with a bottle claiming it as a cure all. I say bunkum.

I tend to thiink anything toted as a cure all is bunkum, (notice I haven't weighed in on colloidal silver?) but I am wondering if its antiseptic (sp?) powers alone might help keep the water healthier for the animals.

Sue

We have a pump that injects Peroxide into the waterline every time the well pump comes on. I'm not sure about the concentration but it is very little that goes in. There are test strips that you can test the water with for the right concentration. We have been doing it for close to 15 years. The cows are doing great but I don't think it is a silver bullet cure. It will keep the water troughs and water bowls cleaner that's for sure as for health benefits that would be hard to measure. One word of caution don't use peroxide with fish! When we first installed the pump my sister thought she should give her fishes some of this great new water too. Bad idea!

Another benefit to it is it removes iron out of the water so you don't have to soften it anymore either.

http://www.purewaterworksinc.com/index_files/poultryuses.htm


http://www.indigo.com/test-strips/gph-test-strips/peroxide-test-strips.html

gubi wrote:We have a pump that injects Peroxide into the waterline every time the well pump comes on. I'm not sure about the concentration but it is very little that goes in. There are test strips that you can test the water with for the right concentration. We have been doing it for close to 15 years. The cows are doing great but I don't think it is a silver bullet cure. It will keep the water troughs and water bowls cleaner that's for sure as for health benefits that would be hard to measure. One word of caution don't use peroxide with fish! When we first installed the pump my sister thought she should give her fishes some of this great new water too. Bad idea!

Another benefit to it is it removes iron out of the water so you don't have to soften it anymore either.

http://www.purewaterworksinc.com/index_files/poultryuses.htm


http://www.indigo.com/test-strips/gph-test-strips/peroxide-test-strips.html

I don't know anything about Hydrogen Peroxide in drinking water, but I do know that iron and softness have absolutely nothing to do with each other! They are two separate things. Softness or hardness in your water is a direct result of calcium. While iron is, just that, iron. It can be soluble ferrous iron or insoluble ferric iron.

We do regular water testing in the milk house. The water has no more iron in it and we have been able to eliminate the water softeners. Before the Peroxide we needed a water softener because we have very hard water and we also have very high iron content. The water softeners we use also remove the iron.

Dark Wing, have you ever tried Hydrogen Peroxide in animal water?

Sue

Sue, Hubby keeps a bottle in the kitchen and when feeling poorly, adds a few drops to a glass of water. When he is not looking I use it to de-stink my dishcloth. I put the dishcloth in a bowl of water, pour in a small amount of HP (chuckling evily as I do heh heh heh). I don't know what it does for Hubby but it will freshen a musty dishcloth. Plus the bubbles are fun to look at. Shh...don't tell Hubby.

Hee hee hee! Even I don't mess with MY hubby's meds when he isn't looking! You are most evil!

Sue

I know HP is the only thing that works on crypto. I actually didn't know you could take it internally. Will have to keep that in mind if we have another outbreak of it.
Sure used it to spray everything down with when it was happening. Didn't stop me from getting it. I wouldn't wish that on anyone!!

D'uhhh... what is crypto?

cryptosporidium - nasty, nasty, nasty!!!!!

Oh man, now I am getting scared half to death, thanks Coopslave.....I googled cryptosporidium and could not believe what I was reading, I believe what you said when you said it is very hard to get rid of. Going to the last paragraph in the quote below it indicates that it is resistant to all levels of practical chlorination. And that crypto is an obligate intracellular pathogen, which means that it is capable of reproducing within the hosts cells . Oh man. So, Coopslave when you indicated that hydrogen peroxide is effective against cryptosporidum I think that is an extremely powerful thing that we have learned today, I am serious.

Knowledge is power, and honestly Coopslave, I think you need to start a thread about your experience with this horrible malade so we can become informed, so many things we just don't know about it. I send you a quest. Speak your mind and help us out to understand things, pleeeeeeze, when you can find that spare moment in time, right, whenever is that I say.....we are all busy, but take that minute or two

So getting back to Sue's query, as for the dose of FOOD GRADE hydrogen peroxide (not the stuff that is "regular") for human ingestion from a document that I was reading was:

The standard dosage for food grade peroxide is 3-4 drops per 8 oz of distilled water

I wonder why they say distilled, I am sure not too many of us have this in our homes on a regular basis. I do, but then I make colloidal silver water ( to you Sue, smiling) on a regular basis too. Anyone know if just regular water would work, it would disable any "bad" things in the water....so why distilled? Oh, this post is getting too long and convoluted, never meant it to become this way, have a most wonderful day, CynthiaM.

From Wikipedia:
Cryptosporidium parvum is one of several protozoal species that cause cryptosporidiosis, a parasitic disease of the mammalian intestinal tract.

Primary symptoms of C. parvum infection are acute, watery, and non-bloody diarrhoea. C. parvum infection is of particular concern in immunocompromised patients, where diarrhea can reach 10–15L per day. Other symptoms may include anorexia, nausea/vomiting and abdominal pain. Extra-intestinal sites include the lung, liver and gall bladder where it causes respiratory cryptosporidosis, hepatitis and cholecystitis.[1][not in citation given]

Infection is caused by ingestion of sporulated oocysts transmitted by the fecal-oral route. In healthy human hosts, the median infective dose is 132 oocysts.[2] The general C. parvum life cycle is shared by other members of the genus. Invasion of the apical tip of ileal enterocytes by sporozoites and merozoites causes pathology seen in the disease.

Infection is generally self-limiting in immunocompetent people. In immunocompromised patients, such as those with AIDS or those undergoing immunosuppressive therapy, infection may not be self-limiting, leading to dehydration and, in severe cases, death.

The diagnosis of C. parvum consists of serological tests and microscopic evaluation of oocysts in stools using Kinyoun acid-fast staining.

C. parvum is considered to be the most important waterborne pathogen in developed countries. It is resistant to all practical levels of chlorination, surviving for 24hrs at 1000 mg/L free chlorine. It is an obligate intracellular pathogen

coopslave wrote:I know HP is the only thing that works on crypto. I actually didn't know you could take it internally. Will have to keep that in mind if we have another outbreak of it.
Sure used it to spray everything down with when it was happening. Didn't stop me from getting it. I wouldn't wish that on anyone!!

FOOD GRADE hydrogen peroxide. There is a difference between FOOD GRADE and the regular stuff. The regular stuff should NOT be taken INTERNALLY. That must be stressed. You can buy FOOD GRADE, it is more expensive, but is intended for internal use, the other is for EXTERNAL USE ONLY. People need to know this, is is extremely important. Not sure what the difference is, but there is a difference, have a most wonderful day, CynthiaM.

I don't know anything about using peroxide but I do know about apple cider vinegar. I take the stuff myself. There is an article in the latest CHickens magazine called Herbal Essence. It says you can add apple cider vinegar to water for chickens to cut down on bacteria and fungal growth. It also says to use garlic against bacteria,viruses, molds, yeast and other oganinisms. Sorry I don't type well enough ( as you probably noticed) to type more. I haven't tried it I just got the mag yesterday. But it couldn't hurt.
i try to use the least (hmmm. too early can't thinkof the word) I use goats milk soap, unsented everything. Dishsoap or vinegar to wash floors. I do not ever use antibacteria anything and I don't get sick neither do my dogs. My chickens are healthy. I guess our immune systems are working
geri who needs more coffee dogs let me sleep until 7 guess they knew it was my day off

They say distilled, Cynthia, because the chlorine diminished or removes the effectiveness of the HP. I have well water so i am not too concerned. I don't think I could make enough distilled every day to water everyone!

So- 10 mL for 4 gallons of water. Am I in the ballpark?

Sue

gubi wrote:We do regular water testing in the milk house. The water has no more iron in it and we have been able to eliminate the water softeners. Before the Peroxide we needed a water softener because we have very hard water and we also have very high iron content. The water softeners we use also remove the iron.

Depending on the amount of dissolved iron in your well water some water well companies used to use water softeners for masking soluble iron in wells. If the iron levels are low enough, the staining caused by iron can be reduced. Much like adding a bit of chlorine in the water. In our case, and everyones situation is different, our well water is very good as far as the softness goes. Our well water is softer than Edmonton's city water, but not slimy soft either. The iron levels are just high enough to start to cause a bit of red staining and off taste. As a result, the previous owners of this house also had a salt style softener installed. We have since changed out our whole system. We use a Birm sand and air injector style system for iron removal and it works great!

As I already stated (Sue), I don't know anything about Hydrogen Peroxide injectors for water wells nor have I ever added HP to drinking water for my animals. So unless you have some sort of iron filtration system installed, I'm not sure how hydrogen peroxide can remove soluble iron or have any health benefits! I have never heard anything about it before. Too me, it kind of sounds like more of that "Voodoo" stuff!

I'm sorry I butted in with nothing positive to add to this thread about Hydrogen Peroxide! I was only trying to clear up any misconceptions about iron levels and water softness! So don't be going all "Confucius" on me (Sue) about veering off topic either!

Sue, just getting on the band wagon with this topic now. I've been using FG Hydrogen Peroxide since the Spring of last year. I learned of it through a friend who use to raise meat birds and sell the processed bird to the public. He swore by the stuff saying he rarely had sick birds. I understand one of the many benefits is that it can act as a natural antibiotic, keeping viruses at bay, as well as boosting the defences in general. I know it is used in drinking wells and hot tubs instead of bleach and is perfectly appropriate for human consumption (diluted of course).

I contacted the supplier directly of the product I buy and he sent me information on it for overall ratios depending on the condition being treated but for chickens (he had other customers putting it in their birds water) he recommended a ratio of 1/2 teaspoon (2.5ml) to 1 U.S. gallon of water. I've had no issues with that ratio with my birds.

ChicoryFarm wrote:Sue, just getting on the band wagon with this topic now. I've been using FG Hydrogen Peroxide since the Spring of last year. I learned of it through a friend who use to raise meat birds and sell the processed bird to the public. He swore by the stuff saying he rarely had sick birds. I understand one of the many benefits is that it can act as a natural antibiotic, keeping viruses at bay, as well as boosting the defences in general. I know it is used in drinking wells and hot tubs instead of bleach and is perfectly appropriate for human consumption (diluted of course).

I contacted the supplier directly of the product I buy and he sent me information on it for overall ratios depending on the condition being treated but for chickens (he had other customers putting it in their birds water) he recommended a ratio of 1/2 teaspoon (2.5ml) to 1 U.S. gallon of water. I've had no issues with that ratio with my birds.

Now that you mentioned it, I have heard about HP being used in hot tubs! I now recall something a friend was telling me when we discussing public bathtubs, I mean hotel hot tubs! I think he had mentioned something about how it disinfected or broke down bacteria or something like that. I would have talk to him about it again.

Huh, maybe there is some validity to this "Voodoo" stuff?!?!

What exactly is effected by the addition of food grade HP to animals drinking water? What does it control?

DW, I don't know for sure but it helps keep bacteria at bay (my apologies, I said viruses and meant bacteria) and seems to boost the immune system overall. The gentleman who raised meat birds for years saw a vast improvement in the health of his birds after many years of not using it and then switching over to it. That's all the info I have. I know it is absolutely safe to consume and people who use is for non-live things like wells and hot tubs use nothing else and swear by it!

I also use apple cider vinegar but only in plastic water containers because if you put it in Galvanized tip over pails or other galvanized water pails the vinegar will strip the galvanize off of the metal and guess where it then goes. Into the bodies of your birds and that can't be good.
This is the thing that interests me about food grade Hydrogen Peroxide. I am sure that it will not have the same effect on Galvanized metal which means that I can use it in my metal pails.

Where is the best and cheapest place to buy this HP?

The only place I know of is the health food store and it's not cheap.....about $50 a gallon (although you can buy it in smaller quantities and it may only be available in smaller quantities out there) but it lasts a very long time at 1/2 tsp per gallon of water.

Thanks ChicoryFarm, But isn't 1/2 teaspoon per gallon much stronger than the recommended 30 parts per million?

I'm just going by what I was told by the supplier of the product I buy (he's a one man show) and 1/2 tsp:1 gallon has worked for me. When people ingest it, the ratio is no smaller.