Partridge Chantecler cockerels all comments welcome! (lots of pics)

Heather wrote
"The males will start to develop fluff at the base of the tail, if the females are too soft feathered. It is an imediate death sentence here for any OEG which show any fluff or soft feathering at the base of the tail. "

I have three nice partridge chantecler males all about six months old. All three have some fluffy feathers at the base of the tail. Because all three have these I assumed it was normal growth. Am I wrong? Is this a serious fault? These boys are all cockeral breeding type birds.

Nuthatch It could be they just have not completely feathered in their saddle feathers. If you have a picture that would be good. The fluff I speak of comes over and above the saddle feather. I have a boy here right now that I am going to cull I will try and get a picture of the fluff.

Heather

I find the tail angle interesting, the Chantecler cockerel I showed with at the National had a very upright tail, which I knew, but he still did very well which made me a little surprised.

Chantecler_eh? wrote:I find the tail angle interesting, the Chantecler cockerel I showed with at the National had a very upright tail, which I knew, but he still did very well which made me a little surprised.

I was surprised at his tail as well. Mine certainly don`t have tails that high. He was a lovely cockerel though.
I think they actually need more tail angle than I personally like. I will have to watch that. I always think of them as having more a Indian game (dark cornish) tail rather than a leghorn one.

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Here is a pic of a winner -
2008 Reserve Show Champion Large Fowl Partridge Chantecler by Bruce Bickle Photo by Bruce Bickle
http://www.fvpfa.org/Past%20_Shows_&_Events/Lawn_Show/2008.html

Here are Nuthatches Chantie's she wanted me to post for her.

Thanks for posting that for me Hidden, it demonstrates the fluffy feathers at the base of the tail I was concerned about.
Should I be concerned????

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I can`t remember where I made the `cornish comment` but I will reply here. We have been preg testing and doing lots of cattle work for the last couple of days so I am a bit behind and have an exhausted head.

I guess when I said cornish tail, I did not mean the tail of a cornish. I will try to explain, but it may not make any sence.
I do not like the tail of many of the PC at the moment. They are short, thick and to much like wyandotte tail. They give the impression that the bird just...ends. It also appears to shorten the back of the bird. They are to round and thick and short.
Those are the majority of the Partridge that I see (I don`t actually get a chance to see many, but I am lucky people are willing to post pictures here).
I also don`t like to think of the tail being very upright and full like a leghorns. When I look at the picture in the Standard, the angle of the leghorn tail is not bad, but there is far to much tail there. More tail than body, not good for a dual purpose bird. Where is the breast and back we will get all the great meat from. I have to say, most leghorns I see seem to have a much more upright tail than the one shown in the standard.
When I said cornish I suppose I was thinking of the broad back with some length that the tail comes out of. Cornish may have been a bad choice, but I have seen many cornish crosses that do not have the stumpy, low tail of the exhibition cornish, but have a lower, fuller tail that seems to allow some length to the back and substance to the bird instead of ending in a round lump.
Give me a lower set tail that creates some length in the body over an upright tail that cuts everything short any day.
I am not sure if I have been able to express myself very well here. It is hard for me to verbalise what I mean clearly sometimes. Remember,these are just my opinions, be them right or be them wrong.

Nuthatch I look forward to comments about what you are seeing.
I do not know the answer for you in the PCs. I do know when I first started breeding Barnevelders I had a very old time breeder tell me that the cockerels in the barnies that showed that made better breeders for double lacing in the pullets. I used a couple of birds like that and had very good success with them. Like I say, not sure about the Chants though.

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coopslave wrote:

So on the above note from Coopslave on forgetting where a comment was made, I need some help finding a topic...

Does anyone recall how to find the topic on the Buckeye and the SOP undercolour requirement of "Red, except for back which should show a bar of slate." I took two pics, got them loaded up on photobucket and can't find the thread to post the example someone here wanted of this grey bar in the down...eeep...help please!!

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Higgins, that would probably have been me. I will find that thread and link you to it in the next post so you can upload the pictures. I am working on breeding buckeyes and help is required in any form. Have a wonderful day, CynthiaM.

Higgins, I found the post, it was to do with smut on feathers on the buckeyes. Quite a job to find it, but I did, it will be nice if you could add some pictures to that post. I totally don't understand that the bar of slate across the shoulders means, if you have pictures that would be good. There is an interest in this. Have a wonderful day, CynthiaM.

https://wcps.canadian-forum.com/t1916-smut-in-feathers-on-chickens?highlight=smut