Tara, I am going to take your stance on combs for the time being and cull hard for them next year.
Stippled Partridge is easily maintained in a single pen breeding system. Double Laced, best to double mate for it. It would be silly for any person to make a broad statement that Barnevelders `must be double mated` or even `single pen mated` since one would not for certain know which colour pattern variety was being wanted.
Down South (no)...you mean the Yanks or are you talking `down under?`(yes)
I know this is a Chantecler thread, but my main breeding has been the barnies so I pull on that experience to try to work my way through the Chants.
We did not have the Partridge Barnies in Australia, so any time I speak of them I mean the double laced. Even the standard here askes for a male breast that is "each feather reddish brown with a sharply defined lacing of lustous, greenish black". If you use a male in the breeding pen with what the exhibition standard asks for you get no end of trouble with the double lacing in your pullets. But you can use a rooster very close to the standard as far as colour and have type perfect and still get great pullets. I know, I have done it. To me that is getting both in one breeding pen.
Heather, I am not experienced with breeding the Chants either, but I am trying to be a BIG sponge. I appreciate all your years of breeding experience and value your comments.
I think you are right, I really do not want to outcross at this stage as I already have a wide variety I am working with.
I commend you for trying to single mate and get good males and females but it has been my exprience with these types of color patterns it will be difficult, but have at her and if find the formula I want to know it. I have found single mating can work with solid color birds as I am sure you already know I find that with cetain colors it doesn't work to get that excellent fine coloring on both sexes. So you go for it and show us the fruits of your labor.
I agree, it may be a flight of fancy, but I am going to try. Ultimately if I have to choose it will be the pullets that win out I am afraid. I don't want to end up with average cockerels and average pullets.
May I ask how the chest color on the one boy came about and is this a common problem in the breed and what you expect he will throw color wise?
I am still learning about this. From what I hear it is the males with some red in their breast that give the better marked pullets. Personally I think too much will be just as detrimental as to little. I would prefer a mostly black brest with
very slight red showing on a few feathers. Give me a few years with the breed and I may change my tune on that though.
This is the first solid, black breasted male I have had in the 2 years I have been breeding them. Most have very red breasts that I hatch. Last year I kept the biggest male with the darkest breast. He is not the sire of these, they are from a different line that I got eggs from in the spring.
Tara has been breeding them far longer than I have, she may be able to address some of the stuff I may not be quite accurate with.
As for the pullets. Everyone seems to comment on the last girl, the one that Dark Wing likes. She is bigger, but looking at them again today, I think she is much more loose feathered as well. That may be some of the reason she appears fuller and thicker than some of her hatchmates. I am trying to get a tighter feather on the birds. I think that is important in the Chantecler. They are not supposed to be fluffy butts.
You can even see this in the pictures of the pullets. The side on shows the last girl is looser feathered and the other side on pullet has feathers that lay tighter to her body. A trap I will have to watch out for.
I know the converstion is getting a bit more technical, but please feel free to contribute or ask questions. You may notice something all of us have missed. I am really enjoying all of this thank you everyone that has contributed so far!