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value, animals, ethics

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26value, animals, ethics - Page 2 Empty Re: value, animals, ethics Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:12 am

smokyriver

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I guess I can see both sides of the fence here. I have been called that proverbial animal abuser because I was trying to rehome some older horses that I have had here for 3 years. After having to tear down the unsafe corrals we have we did not have enough time to get enough corrals built for everything this year so felt it was in their best interest to try to rehome them as they would have to deal with 6 other younger horses this winter for feed. I was being picky about the homes they went to, but was still told I should not be allowed to have animals of any sort. On the other hand after loosing the majority of my chickens in 3 days, and then being handed a $1500 bill for lab work on those said dead birds, I will honestly say I could not afford that right at this moment (I will add this has been adjusted to a reasonable amount by my vet!). Hubby had been out of work for most of the summer, and then the gov`t laid a seize to our welding companies bank accounts, cleaned them out, only to find out that they did have the proper paper work file and in thier possession so now we sit and wait for the fundings back. They can take the cash by auto debit, but they cannot return it in this way. This being said, we could not pay ourselves out payroll, which puts us in a severe bind right now. My animals do all have feed, water, shelter and lots of love, but if that check does not get here by the end of Nov, I will be out of feed. I have already spoken to a neighbor who will kindly sell us grain and we can pay him once that money comes in or the next paycheck comes in whichever gets here first, but the fact is if I did not have an awesome neighbor my chickens would suffer. The other thing is I could not even give those birds away as my place is under quarantine right now.

I guess before we judge someone, we need to know the real situation. I totally agree those that use finances as an excuse to get away with it time and time again, do not deserve to have animals!!!! But sometimes something drastic happens all of a sudden and I do not believe those people should be judged too strongly. I know for myself if it had come down to not being able to feed my chickens or getting rid of them, I would have put them down, but in the same breath if it was going to be a day or two, I would also try to keep them going on household scraps ect for that day or 2. Am I wrong in wanting to try to keep the animals if I knew a check would be coming in the within a couple days. The birds would still be hungrier than they would on proper feed, but would have good feed within the day or 2. They would not be going totally hungry, but still not getting the proper food for those couple days. It is not a situation I have ever been in, but very well could have been if it weren`t for my neighbor!!

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27value, animals, ethics - Page 2 Empty Re: value, animals, ethics Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:34 am

Arcticsun

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This is one of those threads where feelings will run really high very quickly.
I try to not judge, I find that while I have pretty good judgement, it is that good judgment that makes me step back and consider. I dont know how many 100s of people I have met who think that what they are doing with thier dogs is right, yet I would consider it to be defintily not. The number of people who thought they were prepared for an animal, and did thier best, but figured out that it was not the right thing.

Having worked for many many years with various SPCAs and humane societies, dog clubs, rescues etc I can say that sometimes the people honestly dont know, or have been "taught" (sometimes read that as bullied) how to care for thier animal. Often this advice is well intentioned but really wrong if you look at what the animal needs from the animals evolutionary point of view rather than from the anthropomorphized humanistic point of view.

I guess what Im getting at is that there ar a million shades of grey. I dont think it is as easy as a black and white. I highly doubt that there is someone who knew absolutely everything there ws about horses, dogs, chickens, newts, what ever when they made that leap. Im sure we can all look back and say "what was I thinking" to something. We live, we learn, hopefully we share that. Sure there are extreme examples of abuse, stupidity, ignorance, just like there are extreme examples of judgementalism, bullying, and egomania.

OooOo that came off a little weird, but I have to go shovel the dang stairs again. Im sooo tired of the snow already!
GRRR

28value, animals, ethics - Page 2 Empty Re: value, animals, ethics Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:36 am

happychicks

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It sounds like you are being responsible for your animals even though you are in a hard situation right now,smokeyriver. Sometimes being responsible does involve hard decisions, like rehoming your horses, but its obvious that you are putting the welfare of your animals as a priority.

29value, animals, ethics - Page 2 Empty Re: value, animals, ethics Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:53 am

abpride


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(I guess before we judge someone, we need to know the real situation.)

I have a problem when its the same person over and over again.
Blaiming others,not doing anything to learn what is right and wrong etc.
Not someone that has a bit of hard luck a time or two.



30value, animals, ethics - Page 2 Empty Re: value, animals, ethics Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:01 pm

uno

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Thank you to everyone of you who has taken the time to consider this and post your well thought out and worded replies.

I don't think my original post (seems like it was weeks ago I posted it) blamed anyone for temporary or unforseen life/financial glitches that jump up and bite us. My frustration is aimed at people who make a lifestyle out of always being victims and passing that victimhood down to the animals in their care. Like others have said, new toys in the garage but not a bale of hay anywhere on the property. It is not a person's circumstances that I take issue with, but the CHOICES THEY MAKE. And how those choices hurt the animals they own. SOmetimes things are gray, but for me, sometimes they aren't.

Someone asked if I would judge a person for having a skinny old horse. Good question. FIrst I would have to determine a few things. What is being done for the skinny, old horse? Does he has free access to hay? Does he have open water available? DOes he have a place to get out of the wind? Has a vet done his teeth and has he been wormed? It is the responsibility of the owner to do everything in hos power to address the situation and NOT sit htere with his finger in his ear wondering what to do. You cannot solve every problem you have, but it's your job to try.

Ha ha.....life is funny....phone just rang and it was a neighbour alerting me to the fact that our horses were heading down the road to town. WRONG! My horses don't get out.(well they did once) There is another guy whose horses are always out and he did NOT deal with his fencing problem the first 4 times this happened. People keep fetching his horses and bringing them home for him. At this point do I judge? Darn right I do! This is a FAIL. His time and attention are focussed elsewhere and his horses are a hazard to themselves and everyone who drives this windy, mountain road. This is not a catastrophe,or hard times or financial trouble, this is neglect.

31value, animals, ethics - Page 2 Empty Re: value, animals, ethics Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:43 pm

smokyriver

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I totally understand if the same person is constantly doing the same thing, where their animals are not being cared for properly, then darn straight they do not deserve to have animals!! I guess I look at things this way, I have taught my children that before we sit down to supper, our animals get to sit down for their suppers. Just wanted people to also remember that sometimes totally unforseen things can happen. I personally never thought I would have been the one to be going through such a time, but things are turning around for us, and my animals will not have to suffer through any of the rough times that I had forseen could have happened!
I am hoping I did not offend anyone by reminding people that things do come up as that was not my intention!!

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