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1 Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Mon May 21, 2012 10:07 am

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Yes, Cynthia, I know you are reading this with interest.

One of my black Cochin chicks is already showing Vulture Hock feathers. Of the 10 I hatched last year there was none of this. I have a couple questions for our show people and non show people.

Will this change as they grow? I am inclined to doubt it.

Does anyone know someone who would like to grow out some pretty barnyard layers or soup roosters but have no plans to breed? This fault, although not life threatening, is definitely genetic and a disqualifying fault in this breed.

If no one wants some pretty farm chickens, and my above question is answered 'no', then their life expectancy is very limited.

2 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Mon May 21, 2012 10:35 am

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thats why i got rid of mine... its very hard to get rid of as well.... sucks.. at least you can spot it when they are babies liiks like shields on the back of their hocks LOL

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3 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Mon May 21, 2012 11:05 am

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I have heard of this, but I don't know what it is! Can someone show some pictures of this for comparison?

4 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Mon May 21, 2012 11:08 am

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Correctly hocked birds may occasionally produce this anomaly, but the ones that already have them should not be bred since that is what you will usually get.

TripleJ, I remember your Silver Laced quandary. I am glad you chose not to breed them.

5 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Mon May 21, 2012 11:12 am

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DWD, scroll about half way down this page and you will see vulture hocks in a Mille Fleur, a breed that must have vulture hocks according to the APA.

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6 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Mon May 21, 2012 11:17 am

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Ohhhh I see! It's almost like wing feathers growing from their drum sticks!

7 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Mon May 21, 2012 12:45 pm

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it is they look funny when they are young, lol here is on my previous pullet she also has twisted wing feathers... Sad they are so pretty but so full of faults

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8 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Tue May 22, 2012 11:57 am

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It is great to see so many people becoming aware of the various faults. Positive news for chickens everywhere!

9 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Tue May 22, 2012 12:12 pm

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I agree. Being educated and aware is a powerful thing.

10 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Tue May 22, 2012 2:46 pm

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11 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Tue May 22, 2012 2:54 pm

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Thank you for your correction on this detail.

12 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Tue May 22, 2012 2:57 pm

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It is great to see so many people becoming aware of the various faults. Positive news for chickens everywhere!

Hmmm, don't know how this got posted twice!



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13 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Tue May 22, 2012 4:56 pm

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A note of caution when dealing with vulture hocks. Some breeds show more vulture hocks when young and don't have their adult feathers in. Lots of the first set of feathers are narrow and stiff on birds. When they get their adult feathers, especially with Cochins, they will widen out and get much softer. Large Cochins have more of a tendency to show vulture hocks then bantams because the large bird seems to have more height in proportion then bantams. Vulture hocks show up when the breed or variety is new and not bred for a long time to weed this fault out.

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14 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Tue May 22, 2012 5:24 pm

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I'm not able to see the whole picture unfortunately.
Are the hock feathers stiff like wing feathers when you touch them, Sue? I haven't had any Cochins with this particular fault, but it's definitely good to know what to look for.

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15 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Tue May 22, 2012 7:16 pm

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Sebas49 wrote:A note of caution when dealing with vulture hocks. Some breeds show more vulture hocks when young and don't have their adult feathers in. Lots of the first set of feathers are narrow and stiff on birds. When they get their adult feathers, especially with Cochins, they will widen out and get much softer. Large Cochins have more of a tendency to show vulture hocks then bantams because the large bird seems to have more height in proportion then bantams. Vulture hocks show up when the breed or variety is new and not bred for a long time to weed this fault out.

You have given me hope, Rico! Thank- you!

I didn't see this on the chicks last year, so I wondered and worried.

Yes, Kathy, they are pretty stiff, not like that fluffy stuff that makes up Cochin bums.

16 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Tue May 22, 2012 7:29 pm

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Sebas49 wrote:A note of caution when dealing with vulture hocks. Some breeds show more vulture hocks when young and don't have their adult feathers in. Lots of the first set of feathers are narrow and stiff on birds. When they get their adult feathers, especially with Cochins, they will widen out and get much softer. Large Cochins have more of a tendency to show vulture hocks then bantams because the large bird seems to have more height in proportion then bantams. Vulture hocks show up when the breed or variety is new and not bred for a long time to weed this fault out.

You have given me hope, Rico! Thank- you!

I didn't see this on the chicks last year, so I wondered and worried.

Yes, Kathy, they are pretty stiff, not like that fluffy stuff that makes up Cochin bums.

17 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:57 pm

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Wondering if they being large fowl cochins can have stiffer feathers on the hock but not the length to them? These shorter stiffer feathers blend in with the fluffy feathers. Is this expectable and not consider vulture hock? I'm hoping someone maybe able clarify.

18 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:29 am

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I always go for the grope. If I feel hard shafts, in adult birds, it is VH, no matter the length and blending into the other feathers. However there are different degrees of stiffness.

19 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:12 am

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Some Vulture hock feathers will blend in but if they are stiff feathers they are vulture hocks and will become a problem. The Cochin feathers should be soft with no stiffness. Normally if you stiff main tail feathers you will have some form of vulture hocks.

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20 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:38 am

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Thank you I didn't even think to look at stiffness in the tail feathers but defenently be checking for that as well. It is big learning curve with what is accepted and correct. I will just keep checking them and doing my best. I'm hoping to have some in the CHB show in November.

21 Re: Vulture Hocks on Show Cochin Chickens on Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:15 am

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A fine issue for sure to be totally aware of, that has not shown its head around here in a couple of years, and hopefully will not, but always on the look out for any vulture hocks for surely. Have a wonderful day, CynthiaM.

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