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The animal pyramid scheme ...

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1The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty The animal pyramid scheme ... Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:13 am

authenticfarm

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I've seen it time and time again. It has happened in all common species of animals. It's the pyramid scheme. Well, sort of.

Here's how it works:

Person A has some kind of "exotic" animal. For this example, let's use buffalo. So Person A has some buffalo that he uses for breeding and/or meat. He either a.) manages to create a market for his breeding stock through pure salesmanship/scam artistry, or b.) there is some kind of movement or trend that creates a demand for the buffalo. Martha Stewart said it was awesome, or some crap like that.

Person A decides to cash in. He starts selling his buffalo for BIG MONEY, convincing his buyers, Person B and Person C, that there is BIG MONEY to be made in breeding buffalo. After all, he is selling them breeding stock for BIG MONEY, and they're willing to pay it, so therefore, other people will pay it, too.

For a while, this works. Persons B and C start producing buffalo, selling to persons D, E, F, G and H, all the while, referring people back to Person A to buy more breeding stock. After all, Persons A, B and C are now making a KILLING on selling breeding stock to Persons D, E, F, G and H - so Persons D E F G H think they're going to make BIG MONEY, too. Chances are, along the way, Person A would have sold all of his breeding stock, because hey, BIG MONEY, and also because he is probably smart enough to see what's coming.

Then, all of a sudden, the bottom drops out of the market (maybe Martha Stewart mentioned Boer goat meat this week instead). It turns out, no one beyond Person H wants to buy breeding stock buffalo. The market is now saturated with breeders, but there is no one left who wants to buy buffalo for breeding stock. Along the way, someone forgot to set up the side of the market that would be demanding buffalo meat, and now there is excess meat on the hoof that no one wants to buy.

Now, Persons D E F G H are super mad at Persons B and C for selling them this BIG MONEY breeding stock. Persons B and C have put a fair amount of money in the bank, though, so they don't care all that much, although they are annoyed at Person A for talking them into this pyramid scheme in the first place. Person A doesn't care, as he has now moved to Arizona and is enjoying his swimming pool and live-in chef, who has never heard of, let alone prepared, buffalo meat.

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So, let this be a word of caution to those who are new to animals, be they dogs or horses: if someone is selling you something with the promise that you'll be making big money on the offspring, DO NOT BELIEVE IT. If it sounds too good to be true, chances are that it is not 100% legitimate.

This applies to any living creature. Specifically, in my lifetime, I have seen this happen to llamas, alpacas, emus, ostriches, buffalo, elk, various breeds of horses (my beloved Canadians, even), MANY breeds of dogs (remember the Chihuahua explosion about 10 years ago?!) ... and probably many others that I can't think of at the moment. Remember when llamas were commanding HUGE prices? Well, now you can't even give them away.

Any animal whose primary purpose is to be eaten is essentially, eventually, only worth its weight in meat.

So unless you're getting into it for the love of the breed and you don't care if you break even/make some money, be VERY, VERY aware of what the true (meat) value of the animal is, and don't overpay for it. Don't be a part of the pyramid scheme.

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2The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:28 am

uno

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AUthenticfarm, this is a very intelligent and well written post. I think you are bang on in every respect and you only prove what I have long suspected: One should never take their livestock investment advice from Martha Stewart. She is nothing if not fickle.

3The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:36 am

heda gobbler

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Yup. Meat value. The pendulum always swings back to that point.

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4The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:40 am

coopslave

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All I want to know is how do I figure out how to be Person A? A pool in Arizona sounds really good.


(just kidding, just kidding!)

5The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:07 am

bckev

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coopslave wrote:All I want to know is how do I figure out how to be Person A? A pool in Arizona sounds really good.


(just kidding, just kidding!)

I thought your coopers made you person a

6The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:08 am

Fowler

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Check out the ads in some of the small farm and hobby magazines for ideas. I recall seeing ads for gigantic chickens, panda cows, babydoll sheep, lots of ideas out there.

7The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:38 am

Schipperkesue

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The sad thing is once you hear about the NEW animal in question, it is already too late!

8The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:27 pm

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9The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:18 pm

Arcticsun

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I had alpacas and llamas years ago. That is exactly what happened. A few people got things rolling, sold and screwed over hundreds of others. Once they no longer had control they made it so that the Canadian registered animals were excluded from the US registry, thus crashing the Canadian regd market, and they made a second mountain of money selling American registered or dual registered animals in Canada, to replace the now valueless Canadian alpacas. They made their money and took off for Europe. Laughing all the way, leaving a bewildered silent business partner here holding the bag and the multi million dollar lawsuits.

I was lucky. I had been showing dogs forever adn knew about registries. I was able to redirect a bunch of animals to the UK and then to Germany and sell out of the Alpacas. Animals that were worth 100 000 were now sold for meat at auction, if the auction would even accept them.

The Pigeon King ponzi scheme. All those farmers taking out huge loans to grow pigeons for the Saudi pigeon meat market. Really? SERIOUSLY???!!! How could anyone think... but many many did. And many somehow lost all thier pigeons, 1000s , to "accidentally" opened doors. What else were they to do?


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10The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:54 pm

Echo 1

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We got caught in the Arabian horse craze in the 80's. Once burned.... twice shy!

11The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:42 am

Fowler

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Pity that most of the people who get burned are just regular folks hoping to better their position. Is it crazy to try something new? Maybe. On the other hand, noone would think it was crazy to try starting up a regular farm (like say beef) and there still wouldn't be guaranteed success. Easy to say "I knew it wouldn't work." after it has failed. I think they used to say that about farming alfalfa. Probably said it about the first guy to tie a cow in his field.

It happens time and again. Happened with tulips. Happened with cochins. It will happen again. Just a question of what.

On an unrelated note, I happen to have Buff Orpingtons that are built more like Buff Rocks. Be the first in your area to be selling Buff Rockingtons. $5000 each.

12The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:53 am

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13The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:43 am

coopslave

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bckev wrote:
coopslave wrote:All I want to know is how do I figure out how to be Person A? A pool in Arizona sounds really good.


(just kidding, just kidding!)

I thought your coopers made you person a


Hmmm.....very rare Coopers pairs available next year for the very cheap price of $399.95! Very Happy

14The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:12 am

Blue Hill Farm

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Good post and good points Fowler. It is unfortunate how many people get scammed and taken in by the hype of something new and exciting, convinced they'll be rolling in dough in no time at all. But in any new venture there is always an element of risk, even tried and tested ones...

coopslave wrote:
bckev wrote:
coopslave wrote:All I want to know is how do I figure out how to be Person A? A pool in Arizona sounds really good.


(just kidding, just kidding!)

I thought your coopers made you person a


Hmmm.....very rare Coopers pairs available next year for the very cheap price of $399.95! Very Happy

EEEEK! What a Face If you'll go $385.97 I'll take a pair asap --



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15The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:16 am

coopslave

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NO pairs available now Flicker you have to wait until next year. This is to make people want them even more!!
Also you have to sell a dozen eggs for $100 because I will be charging a fee on all eggs sold because I will retain a percentage of each breeding pair sold.
If the purebred cattle industry can retain semen shares in bulls, why can't I retain eggs shares in hens??? Laughing

16The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:34 am

Blue Hill Farm

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Dang it, that's gonna cut into my profit margin...BUT the same will work for me, as a new Coopers breeders, right, right?

UNLESS I outcross my Coopers with something (a big, red auction rooster would be best) and then can market the eggs free and clear because I changed the gene pool and the Red Production Coopers are now my creation. BOOYAH. geek

17The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:37 am

coopslave

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lol, I love it!

18The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:48 am

authenticfarm

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coopslave wrote:
bckev wrote:
coopslave wrote:All I want to know is how do I figure out how to be Person A? A pool in Arizona sounds really good.


(just kidding, just kidding!)

I thought your coopers made you person a


Hmmm.....very rare Coopers pairs available next year for the very cheap price of $399.95! Very Happy

Sounds like a bargain! Now, can I sell every unsexed chick for $100? If so, I am in!

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19The animal pyramid scheme ... Empty Re: The animal pyramid scheme ... Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:51 am

Schipperkesue

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Authenticfire farms! Razz

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