H5N2 Avian Influenza In Fraser Valley Canada.

authenticfarm wrote:Now it's in a non-commercial flock in North Aldergrove.

niman wrote:

bcboy wrote:H5N8 avian influenza in guinea fowl and chickens from a small backyard poultry flock in Winston, Oregon.


Has anyone seen this map?

It's my map.

Any questions?

TruNorth wrote:Thank you!

bcboy wrote:

niman wrote:

bcboy wrote:H5N8 avian influenza in guinea fowl and chickens from a small backyard poultry flock in Winston, Oregon.


Has anyone seen this map?

It's my map.

Any questions?

TruNorth wrote:Thank you!

Yes Thank-You Dr Niman.

authenticfarm wrote:Now it's in a non-commercial flock in North Aldergrove. http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals/terrestrial-animals/diseases/reportable/ai/2014-ai-investigation-in-bc/timeline/eng/1417921936163/1417921937351

niman wrote:There were 85 Ducks/Chickens/Geese/Turkeys culled in Aldergrove yesterday (confirmed on Friday).

Anyone have a location?

niman wrote:
The cluster in the commercial sites is near Aldergrove Park.  Are the ponds in the park heavily populated by wild waterfowl?

TruNorth wrote:

niman wrote:
The cluster in the commercial sites is near Aldergrove Park.  Are the ponds in the park heavily populated by wild waterfowl?

Not so much.  The big pond you see in the satellite photo was an artificial swimming hole that was closed permanently in early 2011 and has been decomissioned.  It is now a picnic site.  There are little ponds along Pepin Brook, which get some use by ducks (mostly non-migratory Mallards), and of course the mowed greens in the park attract Canada Geese.

But wasn't the newest site in north Aldergrove?  Or has that changed?

niman wrote:

TruNorth wrote:

niman wrote:
The cluster in the commercial sites is near Aldergrove Park.  Are the ponds in the park heavily populated by wild waterfowl?

Not so much.  The big pond you see in the satellite photo was an artificial swimming hole that was closed permanently in early 2011 and has been decomissioned.  It is now a picnic site.  There are little ponds along Pepin Brook, which get some use by ducks (mostly non-migratory Mallards), and of course the mowed greens in the park attract Canada Geese.

But wasn't the newest site in north Aldergrove?  Or has that changed?

The original post said North Aldergrove, which is where I initially put the marker, but I couldn't get any confirmations.  CFIA said Aldergrove in their report.

Since the confirmation was Friday and the culling Saturday, I am not sure that I am going to get any more info, so I moved the marker to be closer to the other outbreaks, pending more info.

Either someone needs to know the owner or be willing to look hard for a sign (my earlier boots on the ground had to walk up the driveway for several because the owner moved the sign back from the road, but my origin boots on the ground has left the area).  He did confirm all questionable farms, so the first 11 are exactly marked.

TruNorth wrote:The CFIA has not changed the boundaries of their red or yellow zones, so the newest site must be close to one of the earlier sites.

bcboy wrote:Is H5N1 the Grandfather of the viruses going around now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-WAGf-4gC8&feature=youtu.be&t=53m50s

niman wrote:The zones have not been updated since December 15, so until the map has a newer date, its hard to say its the same because there is o need to update, or they are delaying to hide the new location,

TruNorth wrote:

niman wrote:The zones have not been updated since December 15, so until the map has a newer date, its hard to say its the same because there is o need to update, or they are delaying to hide the new location,

I'm dismayed to think that you have reason to suspect that they would want to hide the new location -- whatever for?  

As I read the regulations, every chicken flock within the infected zones is required to keep health records and submit samples for testing twice a week, and yet the people I know who are in the infected zones have not even had a knock on their door.  And you have had to employ boots on the ground to confirm where the infected sites are.  It's like playing a spy game in the cold war... with our own government!

niman wrote:

TruNorth wrote:

niman wrote:The zones have not been updated since December 15, so until the map has a newer date, its hard to say its the same because there is o need to update, or they are delaying to hide the new location,

I'm dismayed to think that you have reason to suspect that they would want to hide the new location -- whatever for?  

As I read the regulations, every chicken flock within the infected zones is required to keep health records and submit samples for testing twice a week, and yet the people I know who are in the infected zones have not even had a knock on their door.  And you have had to employ boots on the ground to confirm where the infected sites are.  It's like playing a spy game in the cold war... with our own government!

Agencies like to control the message, and this control is not limited to CFIA.  When agencies submit OIE reports, the report includes map coordinates for the locations, and these positions go out to FIVE or SIX decimal places.  Thus, for the two most recent commercial farms in Langley, the coordinates are the same, 49.10595 -122.63719, because the very precise location in the report is the center of Langley.  Similarly, the coordinates for the 7 Abbotsford farms are 49.05227 -122.30595, while Chilliwack is 49.171042 -121.95099
http://www.oie.int/wahis_2/temp/reports/en_fup_0000016796_20141222_150732.pdf

Thus, although CFIA knows the location of each farm to 5 or 6 decimal points, the precise location for each requires "boots on the ground" because the true location is kept in a second set of books.

niman wrote:

niman wrote:

TruNorth wrote:

niman wrote:The zones have not been updated since December 15, so until the map has a newer date, its hard to say its the same because there is o need to update, or they are delaying to hide the new location,

I'm dismayed to think that you have reason to suspect that they would want to hide the new location -- whatever for?  

As I read the regulations, every chicken flock within the infected zones is required to keep health records and submit samples for testing twice a week, and yet the people I know who are in the infected zones have not even had a knock on their door.  And you have had to employ boots on the ground to confirm where the infected sites are.  It's like playing a spy game in the cold war... with our own government!

Agencies like to control the message, and this control is not limited to CFIA.  When agencies submit OIE reports, the report includes map coordinates for the locations, and these positions go out to FIVE or SIX decimal places.  Thus, for the two most recent commercial farms in Langley, the coordinates are the same, 49.10595 -122.63719, because the very precise location in the report is the center of Langley.  Similarly, the coordinates for the 8 Abbotsford farms are 49.05227 -122.30595 (even though they are spread throughout Fraser Valley), while Chilliwack is 49.171042 -121.95099
http://www.oie.int/wahis_2/temp/reports/en_fup_0000016796_20141222_150732.pdf

Thus, although CFIA knows the location of each farm to 5 or 6 decimal points, the precise location for each requires "boots on the ground" because the true location is kept in a second set of books.

TruNorth wrote:The CFIA has not changed the boundaries of their red or yellow zones, so the newest site must be close to one of the earlier sites.

TruNorth wrote:I don't see a new Infected zone between Highway 1 and the Fraser River in Aldergrove -- do you?