BLR Wyandotte Trio - Vancouver Island with possible delivery to Alberta

I have a lovely trio of BLRW for sale.  The rooster is blue, the hens are black. I know roo is supposed to throw 50% blue but in his chicks this year he's produced over 90% blues, I don't know why but I think it's great. Roo is from Briarwood, hens are from Buffy.  I'm still struggling with the neighbors over chickens, and this roo seems especially nice but has the loudest voice here,  so I will let him go with the two girls.  One girl is especially nice in shape but a bit smaller in size, the other girl has the size but not as lovely a shape. And I like everything about Cockadoodle Roo, he has great size, attitude, body, yellow legs, nice comb, nice boy.  They are 1 year old.

Cockadoodle Roo needs a larger harem, as he's a pretty dilligent breeder.  I've put some wellie girls in the pen to take the ease off the two wyandottes, but he could easily be in a much larger flock.  He's very friendly with people, has never been aggressive at all. He's very aware and alerts well to overhead predators.

I would like $50 for the trio.  I will try to get pics today.

I would be interested in this trio if we have a way of getting them here economically. I have some nice splash and blue hens, but they lost their mate after he froze his feet. I'm looking forward to seeing some pictures. What would be the route to Alberta?

Barrier is along one of the routes to get hubby back to work...hubby says you have to buy him lunch for forcing him to be in a truck with chickens if he drops them off, this will be pushing his chicken tolerance limits especially if we end up taking the SUV to pick up the sheep, not so bad if he goes in his pick up with the canopy.  Lol.  

Here are some pics...serves me right for posting a question about why my birds weren't molting as I went out to take pics and the BLRW pen had feathers everywhere today and many were falling out of the birds, you can probably see some hanging.  Lol.  And of course the boy lost half of his tail feathers over night.   Alteast I got some pics today, because tomorrow they will look even worse!  I really like the boy, have decided I need to focus on less breeds, and although I like the BLRW, I like some of the others more.  And he seems to wait for my neighbor to be in the yard and starts singing for her....I'm not a BLRW expert, but I do like the boy the best of the trio.  And his legs don't look very yellow in this pic, but they are more yellow.



His wing feathers are being held a little low here, he was on alert for the big scary dove that lands in the yard and causes a ruckus and was also out in the sun keeping watch over the girls. And unfortunately his tail feathers are falling out.  He had about 6 feathers just dangling from him during the photo session.  Awesome size, big meaty body, huge bone, nice structure, good attitude.  



Hen number two doesn't as nice of nice shape that hen one does, but is larger in size.  Hen number two has a nicer tail than hen number one. And number 2 decided to start molting today along with cockadoodle roo.  

And if anyone just wants the roo, I'm happy to do that too!

We like them. We need to know what your husband would like for lunch as he'll likely fare better eating lunch with us than in any of the restaurants in Barriere. When may we expect him and his travelling companions? Do we need to send a deposit and could you mark them on both forums with "sale pending"?

Is that hen on the last pic supposed to be a gold laced wyandotte?

rosewood wrote:We like them.  We need to know what your husband would like for lunch as he'll likely fare better eating lunch with us than in any of the restaurants in Barriere.  When may we expect him and his travelling companions?  Do we need to send a deposit and could you mark them on both forums with "sale pending"?

Pm'd you...

[quote="Piet"][/Is that hen on the last pic supposed to be a gold laced wyandotte?]

Both hens are Blue Laced Red Wyandottes. The black version looks much like a Gold Laced Wyandotte. Some of the ancestory goes back to GLWs in the UK.

rosewood wrote:

Piet wrote:[/Is that hen on the last pic supposed to be a gold laced wyandotte?]

Both hens are Blue Laced Red Wyandottes.  The black version looks much like a Gold Laced Wyandotte.  Some of the ancestory goes back to GLWs in the UK.

wonder what part of the ancestory of this american breed is from England? Does no one here see the double lacing??? Also if there was any blue in there you would see it. It is black laced not blue and with incorrect lacing and some shafting..

This is a variety still under development, but the colour combinations of splash, blue and black are typical of many "blue" poultry including blue cochins, blue slate turkeys and others. If you look closly at the photos all three have some shafting. The BLRWs were developed in the UK, imported into the US with a stop in Canada. Some were bred back to the GLWs resulting in very diluted colours and smaller size.

rosewood wrote:This is a variety still under development, but the colour combinations of splash, blue and black are typical of many "blue" poultry including blue cochins, blue slate turkeys and others.  If you look closly at the photos all three have some shafting.  The BLRWs were developed in the UK, imported into the US with a stop in Canada.  Some were bred back to the GLWs resulting in very diluted colours and smaller size.

they made them in Holland a long time ago also and maybe here they are still under development. Here is an example and ther they breed them just like other blue

Oh gosh, it's a sales ad not asking for feedback.

Piet it is very hard to get new lines of BLRW to work with here in Canada without paying huge amount of dollars. Some of the BLRW here carry double lacing, which is obvious in the last hen. They are black laced BLRW but are not as light in the middle of the feather as a gold laced wyandotte. Of course being that they are blue they produce blue, black and splash laced red wyandottes. The photo you posted is a splash laced hen. Blue laced would be much darker slate blue.

Piet wrote:

rosewood wrote:

Piet wrote:[/Is that hen on the last pic supposed to be a gold laced wyandotte?]

Both hens are Blue Laced Red Wyandottes.  The black version looks much like a Gold Laced Wyandotte.  Some of the ancestory goes back to GLWs in the UK.

wonder what part of the ancestory of this american breed is from England? Does no one here see the double lacing??? Also if there was any blue in there you would see it. It is black laced not blue and with incorrect lacing and some shafting..

Piet, I'm not entirely sure what your intent is... maybe a discussion of BLRW genetics would deserve it's own thread, I posted pretty clear photos of what I had for sale, and Rosewood said they were interested. It's obvious I'm not hiding anything, the photos show clearly what is there, and there's a lot more to a bird than it's feathers...I know the double-lacing isn't standard, but I think it's incredibly beautiful and I love it and I think the birds are incredibly pretty. And since it's shown in the photos, it's something that rosewood can see also.

I know you are very experienced in breeding, and have one of the better flocks of Barnevelders in Canada. And surely with your knowledge of chickens you would know that 1/4 of a blue to blue breeding will be blacks, and 1/2 of a black to blue breeding will be black...so why would a black BLRW from BLRW parents not be called a black BLRW? These are certainly not gold like a gold laced red wyandotte, they have a red base not gold. But you breed gold laced wyandottes so would be knowledgeable in that also.

If I had posted asking for a critique, then I would be honored to have you respond. But it's kinda feeling like hijacking as I posted something for sale, I'm not really clear what your purpose is. I never said these were SOP show birds nor that they were perfect. I did say what I liked about them, and I was honest about what I liked.

I have to say I had the same concerns as Piet. That hen is double laced and it can be hard to get rid of. I suspect BLR were used to add blue to some Barnevelders and this hen was a result of that cross. #2 even has a very Barnevelder tail. The rose comb is dominant.
I know there was no feedback asked for, but it is tough to let someone unsuspecting step into something that is tough to breed out. Roosters can carry the double lacing and you would never know as they don't express it. (not saying he is thou)
What Piet posted is a Splash laced, but it is a good example of what the hens should express in the way of lacing.
If you just want pretty birds it is ok, but if people want a certain breed they should be aware of what is going on and what they may be breeding on without knowing what is correct. This is how we lose lots of people in the fancy, they feel like they have been lied to and sell out.
Briar it is interesting that many of this variety is showing double lacing in the hens, all the more reason not to use them in a breeding pen thinking you are going to get BLR Wyandottes.
So, sorry, I suppose this is feedback as well but sometimes it is difficult not to say something. It doesn't mean they are not beautiful layers and wouldn't have beautiful chicks.

Sorry Islandgal, posted just after you did and your points are valid. Didn't mean to hijack, hope I didn't offend you and it is good you posted clear pictures of what is offered. I try to do the same when I have birds that I don't think meet the Standard so people know what they are getting into.

Sorry about the hijack, i realize this is a sale. Simply i am not familiar with the blrw in north america. But since blues do not breed true and you can get blck back from the combo blue x blue, they are called black and not blue. You cannot make blrw by pairing two black laced birds together even if those are out of blue parents. Those birds are handsome i never meant to put them down like that, but that was just so clear in my eyes that you cannot call a black laced a blue laced.. No matter what ghe parent animals are. Once the blue is not present in the bird, it is a true black laced again. Same with the Barnevelders, all your black laced out of blues can go back in the black laced breed pen if they are good enough. Take a nice blue laced to a superior black laced over and oer again to get better blues. Again I apologize for not realizing these are still much in development here. Btw, the pic IS a blue laced red, splash would be white laced and no hackle lacing.

BLRWs were only recently been introduced to Canada except for some very poorly coloured examples from a large American hatchery. Admittedly they have some faults to breed out. I will be buying all three of these and will pick what I like from them. I have shown some of the ones I've had with some success with a hen and a rooster taking Best Large Fowl and Best of Opposite Sex. I have had some difficulty finding a rooster and have missed a couple years of breeding. They are the largest chickens we have for butchering except for the Black Cochins.

But genetically it has nothing to do with blue anymore, it is that simple.black lace is black lace. may be in canada, but i still dont see a written standard on them in the sop. A lighter blue makes a far better laced bird as it stands out from the gold more. Oh, in europe its gold laced and blue gold laced, not red. Breeding Lighter gold causes shafting, but the lighter fold makes a black lace stand out better too. Its always playing with different shades of ghe same color in order to get the best possible picture of ghe whole and its a fine line between both extremes. I do not see a clear blue laced "red" on your picture. I edited because the post from briarwood is what this response it to, but i cannot see that post here anymore.

Piet wrote:But genetically it has nothing to do with blue anymore, it is that simple.black lace is black lace. may be in canada, but i still dont see a written standard on them in the sop. A lighter blue makes a far better laced bird as it stands out from the gold more. Oh, in europe its gold laced and blue gold laced, not red. Breeding Lighter gold causes shafting, but the lighter fold makes a black lace stand out better too. Its always playing with different shades of ghe same color in order to get the best possible picture of ghe whole and its a fine line between both extremes. I do not see a clear blue laced "red" on your picture. I edited because the post from briarwood is what this response it to, but i cannot see that post here anymore.

The difference between the varieties is the colors that go into them... gold laced (black edge with gold center), silver laced (black edge with white center ), blue laced red (blue edge with mahogany red center). I read about a rufous modifier in the BLRW but don't know much about it yet, so there are differences between them and the gold, I would like to learn more about the modifiers.

Because the BLR is based on a mahogany red center, to ensure it's not confused with the gold, it is called a black BLRW. Crossing a Blue BLRW or a Splash BLRW with a gold will not give the blue and mahogany color that is sought for this variety. The two girls in my photos are Black, but of the BLRW variety, so have the desired mahogany red center for the BLRW variety, not the gold variety. But the black girls can be bred to the splash BLRW and produce 100% blues with the correct mahogany red center. Regular gold laced wyandottes bred to a splash BLRW will produce a variety and blends of gold through mahogany, instead of only mahogany.

It's slightly different than the blue barnevelder where the ground colour would be the same in a blue line and a black line of barnevelder, and a good black barnevelder from a blue line would have the same colour as a regular barnevelder and would be virtually indistinguishable side by side. And surely you know the value of keeping the birds from the blue variety of Barnevelder separate from the regular variety. You could call a black barnevelder from a blue line a barnevelder, but purists would be irate to find this out after the fact should one be incorporated into their breeding program without knowing. Difference between the barnies and wyandottes - A black BLRW beside a Gold Laced Wyandotte will be markedly different in colour, with, the BLRW variety being mahogany and the gold being obviously gold. As you have gold laced wyandottes, there must be quite a difference in the feather center of yours (gold) than the feather center of posted pics (mohagany), the posted pics being the BLRW variety. When I google gold vs red, there is a substancial difference in the feather center colour. I don't have photos of the golds, and don't want to steal photos from others. But side by side the comparison seems pretty obvious.

Well, what has started merely as a sale between a knowledgable buyer and seller has turned into a great discussion on the color and development in North America. Very interesting! Now the sale is completed, I hope the discussion continues.

Ok, in Holland they do use the golds and simply can get darker mahogany color on the golds also by Selection. The reason golds should not have as dark mahogany "brownred" is because the black lace will not stand out clear enough and makes too dark of a bird. The problem in Gold laced arises when they get too light as then you are battling with shafting. The blue lace is far lighter and there you can have much richer darker mahogany color to make the markings stand out well. All done by SELECTION, they are the same "golds" involved, just different shades of it. Someone mentioned that shafting was very common in the blue variety, that tells me the gold is too light. look at the color on the hen i placed a picture off, that is deep red. red/gold/mahogany/walnut call it whatever you want, its the eye that sees the difference, no the name of it. So in Canada you are not wanting to cross to gold laced and the gold laced out of the blues only. I would like to see the progress in 5 years, they should be done by then and become standardized? Seems there are a few specialist here who breed BLRW, but can we see some better hens with proper blue color lacing for North American standard? I want to breed bLRW now;) i would search for an outstanding gold laced wyandotte hen that is too dark with great featherwidth and lace defenition and pair her with a splash laced roo.