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Exactly What Breeds are Heritage Breed Poultry

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appway

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Lately I have seen People Selling alot of Poultry Which is great as I am doing it also.

But I also see alot of people on the Different Groups and Sale places Saying
Heritage Poultry for sale. I jsut say What Breed I have for sale I dont say They are Heritage.

So what Breeds Are Heritage? I see alot of Breeds That I would not consider Heritage advertised as Heritage
So what Breeds do You think you could sell as Heritage Breed Poultry and if so why.
Will be interesting to hear some of the Breeds and the reasson

Hidden River

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Here is a definition of heritage poultry for you Joe. Seems Heritage is the "buzz word" lately I agree, so hopefully this helps straighten it out in your mind at least.

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Heritage Chicken must adhere to all the following:

1. APA Standard Breed. Heritage Chicken must be from parent and grandparent stock of breeds recognized by the American Poultry Association (APA) prior to the mid-20th century; whose genetic line can be traced back multiple generations; and with traits that meet the APA Standard of Perfection guidelines for the breed. Heritage Chicken must be produced and sired by an APA Standard breed. Heritage eggs must be laid by an APA Standard breed.
2. Naturally mating. Heritage Chicken must be reproduced and genetically maintained through natural mating. Chickens marketed as Heritage must be the result of naturally mating pairs of both grandparent and parent stock.
3. Long, productive outdoor lifespan. Heritage Chicken must have the genetic ability to live a long, vigorous life and thrive in the rigors of pasture-based, outdoor production systems. Breeding hens should be productive for 5-7 years and roosters for 3-5 years.
4. Slow growth rate. Heritage Chicken must have a moderate to slow rate of growth, reaching appropriate market weight for the breed in no less than 16 weeks. This gives the chicken time to develop strong skeletal structure and healthy organs prior to building muscle mass.

Chickens marketed as Heritage must include the variety and breed name on the label.

Terms like “heirloom,” “antique,” “old-fashioned,” and “old timey” imply Heritage and are understood to be synonymous with the definition provided here.

Abbreviated Definition: A Heritage Egg can only be produced by an American Poultry Association Standard breed. A Heritage Chicken is hatched from a heritage egg sired by an American Poultry Association Standard breed established prior to the mid-20th century, is slow growing, naturally mated with a long productive outdoor life.

The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy has over 30 years of experience, knowledge, and understanding of endangered breeds, genetic conservation, and breeder networks.

Endorsed by the following individuals:
Frank Reese, Reese Turkeys, Good Shepherd Turkey Ranch, Standard Bred Poultry Institute, and American Poultry Association;
Marjorie Bender, Research & Technical Program Director, American Livestock Breeds Conservancy
D. Phillip Sponenberg, DVM, PhD., Technical Advisor, American Livestock Breeds Conservancy, and Professor, Veterinary Pathology and Genetics, Virginia Tech;
Don Bixby, DVM. Independent Consultant, former Executive Director for the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy;
R. Scott Beyer, PhD, Associate Professor, Poultry Nutrition Management, Kansas State University,
Danny Williamson, Windmill Farm, Good Shepherd Turkey Ranch, and American Poultry Association;
Anne Fanatico, PhD, Research Associate, Center for Excellence for Poultry Science, University of Arkansas;
Kenneth E. Anderson, Professor, Poultry Extension Specialist, North Carolina State University.

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Chantecler_eh?

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Hmm to me heritage is just a marketing gimmick. It's not really official but it should mean breeds that are dual purpose and have been used traditionally on small farms to provide meat and eggs. When I sell my cull pullets for layers I often advertise them as heritage layers since the target market for them is for someone who wants a dual purpose bird for their own egg and/or meat supply. Great question, I'd like to see how others answer this.

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appway

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Thanks for the answers Guys/Girls

Jayme good read and you figured the reason I asked the Question It seems lately That Heritage is the big selling word I am seeing so many breeds called Heritage for the sole means of selling them.
Is a Cochin Heritage? to me no to others it must be but why?
is a Frizzle a Heritage If so Why and so on and so on. Not picking on any certain breeds just the 2 that popped in my head while typing.
I dont consider my EE's a Heritage Breed but I see them advertised as such.
They breed on their own they free range and they are dual purpose but that dont make them Heritage or does it?

Chantecler_eh?
Great answer to the question and I am also looking forward to others answers. And I consider the breeds you raise Heritage Breeds for the same reasons you stated


Higginsrat
Have read that post before but the question is what breeds does a person consider heritage are you saying its the breeds that you or anyone raises? Be it Chickens Ducks or Turkeys

I dont think our Grandfathers and Grandmothers raised many Bantams
Is it not what they Raised in the Old days more considered Heritage.
I do like the Recipes and other things on that thread Thank you for reposting it.

I do like what the ALBC says tho it answers alot of the Question
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APA Standard Breed. Heritage Chicken must be from parent and grandparent stock of breeds recognized by the American Poultry Association (APA) prior to the mid-20th century; whose genetic line can be traced back multiple generations; and with traits that meet the APA Standard of Perfection guidelines for the breed. Heritage Chicken must be produced and sired by an APA Standard breed. Heritage eggs must be laid by an APA Standard breed.





call ducks

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If going by APA's deffention, that means the Hungrain's can not be consdired a heritage breed. Even though they are as acient as these hills are.

appway

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call ducks wrote:If going by APA's deffention, that means the Hungrain's can not be consdired a heritage breed. Even though they are as acient as these hills are.

I am sure they are in their native country
Just not here in North America
are they a Breed Recognized by the APA
and if so when were they
Just like the EO here in North America They are not a Heritage Breed but in the Basque country of Spain they are.

call ducks

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appway wrote:
call ducks wrote:If going by APA's deffention, that means the Hungrain's can not be consdired a heritage breed. Even though they are as acient as these hills are.

I am sure they are in their native country
Just not here in North America
are they a Breed Recognized by the APA
and if so when were they
Just like the EO here in North America They are not a Heritage Breed but in the Basque country of Spain they are.

But the point is. They should not just be reconized as a heritage if there are and APA acciblted breed. Because franlky the APA makes them selfs more of a deal then they are! Take Sussex, wellsummer, Marans They are a heritage breed in the home countries and are only considered heritage here because they are in the APA. I am sorry but that is not right. They are heritage because they were devloped for farmers by farmers. They are a dual purpose. And being a true dual purpose is more important to being heritage then looking like that painted picture in a book where imaginations go free.

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Last edited by HigginsRAT on Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:33 pm; edited 1 time in total

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appway

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Dont Know who you are calling the poultry pedigree police
If it is me I would like you to explain please
and yes a poultry pedigree is just as important as a Dogs Pedigree
I like to know the breeding of my birds when if at all possible
I figued this post would go to the worse But I thought maybe as grown adults we could keep it civil and not be childish
all I asked in the beginning of this post is what breeds are exactly Heritage Breeds
And what breeds does a person consider
And what and why does a person sell the breeds as heritage
Thank you to those that understood what I was asking
and thanks to all that have posted

viczoe

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Callducks may I point out to you that I don't really think the APA as an organization thinks more of them selfs than they are and you might stop and think if these organizations completely volunteered staffed except for the secretary ceased to exist what would happen to pure bred poultry, I dare say they would be doomed to become a mix of backyard chickens in not many years. Hell we are part of the way there now with all the hybids. At least these many organizations give us something to strive for at least those of us who care about preserving the gentics of many of these breeds. Most organizations are not perfect and if you are so dissatisfeid with the club you could volunteer and help make change. Hidden has give a good baseline for what helps define a heritage breed as have many others,

I find the word heritage is becoming a catch phase for many people just to flog birds, one might be better served to push the economic and egg laying abilities qualities of ones chosen breed. It is important I think when selling purebred large fowl that it is important that the buyers know that these birds are not broilers and grow much much slower than meat birds but on the up side the hens lay much longer and more consistantly than hybid layers and are 10 times more beautiful to look at. Just my thoughts

Heather

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appway

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Thank you Heather
Very well said

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Hey Appway. Only have a second right now, so I can't say I have read all the posts before this. I am just going to say what I think about the 2 breeds I am most focused on right now: Euskal Olioa and the Hungarian Yellows. I believe they are heritage breeds. New to our country ( relatively) but going back 100s of years in the Basque country and Hungary respectively. All of the birds here descend from their birds. In fact, in regards to the HY, it was efforts of those dedicated to them here, that made it possible for the breed to continue in Hungary. Without it, they would have gone extinct. I can relate the full story Roy Crawford told me, but that is for another time. Basically, to me a heritage bird has a long history. Sometimes spanning continents. Other times just many years. Regardless, I am honored to have and work with them. Sometimes, I just love the story that comes with them.

appway

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They are both Great breeds and In their country they are considered Heritage I am sure
And Here they Most likley are also as people that have them know their History

Like I keep saying
What do people consider Heritage Breeds and Why
And Susan You answered Just like I asked the Question
Thanks

call ducks

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viczoe wrote:Callducks At least these many organizations give us something to strive for at least those of us who care about preserving the gentics

Heather

Yes i realize organizaytions aren't perfect, i was more so talking about that deffention of a heritage breed.


And about that centice. Are you impleying that people whom chose not breed for how a chicken looks first do not care about genetics? Population breeding is one of the best ways to breed, Look at UofS When Dr. Crawford was there it was a 3:1 (right?) ie 75 hens 25 cocks. Canada has basicly become the glory whole for preserving poultry genetics. Well actually most things poultry. Don Shaver helped in devloping alot of the grand feather lines in production poultry. There's more then one way to skin a chicken (makes no sense).

Breeding for Production should be put first if we want our "Heritage" breeds to contine to be a true dual purpose bird.


Sue the yellows have been in Canada from the 60's so they have been here for ~50 years.


Here's what i think a Heritage is....

Bred to maintain, genetic stgrgenth, Production quailitys (of which they were bred for) to keep have birds that are viable in all sense, feed conversion, weight/egg production.

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appway

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[quote="HigginsRAT" Wrote

To be able to call your chickens ALBC heritage you must know your poultrys' pedigrees in so far at minimum to know the breeds used to meet the APA Standard Breed requirement. You do not need this information to breed Standard bred poultry or show them at sanctioned shows.

The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy requires you to know your birds[/quote]

I have never said my Birds were Heritage In fact I said I dont even sell mine as Heritage
I am Glad that you have bred Poultry for as long as you have Brahmas for 75 years bred pure Hmm thats great
I really dont care what you call your farm
all I asked in the post was
So what Breeds Are Heritage? I see alot of Breeds That I would not consider Heritage advertised as Heritage
So what Breeds do You think you could sell as Heritage Breed Poultry and if so why.
Will be interesting to hear some of the Breeds and the reason

viczoe

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Callducks, I have a line of Light Brown leghorns who were bred as a bloodline and adhering to the productity of what a Leghorn should be a laying breed, yet also adhering to the breed as discribed in the APA standard for more than 30yrs before I inherited the flock many years ago. One can have both with a little attention to detail. While these are not in my mind a true dual purpose breed, my cock birds do make good soup, while the females lay their hearts out for years.
Personally I have seen some of the birds the U of A keep in their heritage flocks and while they may have maintained genetic diversity they certainly have not maintained the orginial conformation and breed type in most of the flocks as set forth by the developers of said breeds. Most of the birds are way to small and barely resemble what the breeds should look like and certainly are not in my opinion dual purpose birds and getting them there would be quite an undertaking.

So when looking for my heritage breed (and I use that word loosely) I will not look to the universities but to the true breeders and they are out there that are keeping their diversity as well as the meat qualities and egg laying abilities while adhering to the standard set forth for that breed as far as breed type and size etc. I would think that anyone who truly wants to sell Heritage fowl to others ethically would want an animal that has the breed type as envisioned by the developers of what ever breed it is and to do that they will have to look to the breed standard no matter if it is in the Standard of Perfection or the standard in the country of origin.

Hoping this is not off topic

Heather

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great posts heather. both of them.

well said.

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CynthiaM

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[quote = "HigginsRAT"]
I care enough to wish you peace, harmony, and happiness in this hobby.
May you receive what you seek.[/quote]

Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.
- Mahatma Gandhi

What a most beautiful thought, this kind of wish -- for anyone. I like it and this will remain embedded in my mind, like foreeeeeeever!! Such an interesting topic, now headed off to the other one that Tara made, so long ago, the one linked to in this thread, it was a good read too!! All wishes for us all to have a beautiful day, CynthiaM.

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I called, I asked, I was told:
Buckeye x Chantecler are considered heritage brirds by ALBC on principle that any heritage breed crossed with any heritage breed produces heritage birds, BUTT only in the first crossing F1.

Past this, if the flock or breed is outcrossed then they must be bred back to 15/16 purity to be called heritage.

What I refuse to think of as heritage are things like rustic broilers.

You have lots of info now, make yer own list.

appway

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reneggaide wrote:I called, I asked, I was told:
Buckeye x Chantecler are considered heritage brirds by ALBC on principle that any heritage breed crossed with any heritage breed produces heritage birds, BUTT only in the first crossing F1.

Past this, if the flock or breed is outcrossed then they must be bred back to 15/16 purity to be called heritage.

What I refuse to think of as heritage are things like rustic broilers.

You have lots of info now, make yer own list.
Thats good info as for the last statement That is pretty rude as usual
I am not making a list just starting a thread With a question. My birds are produced for their meat and their eggs I dont care to call them Heritage
My Crosses are crosses and I call them that Not Heritage But I guess now people can start selling them as Heritage Of course they could be Called Heritage Crosses I guess But lets call them Heritage and sell them to Newcomers to the world of Poultry

CynthiaM

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reneggaide wrote:
Buckeye x Chantecler are considered heritage brirds by ALBC on principle that any heritage breed crossed with any heritage breed produces heritage birds, BUTT only in the first crossing F1.

Do you have a camera? I would love to see what these two breeds crossed together would look like....make a thread please, it would interest me greatly, I have thought of this for meat production (and eggs too). Have a beautiful day, CynthiaM.

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