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1 Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:47 am

Arcticsun

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Well, the time is now to de-bug them birdies in time for the show.

I went to eprinex my flock yesterday and I didnt have enough to do them all. Someone suggested that I try Noromectin or Ivomectin, that they can be used topicly on poultry as well.

I know this has been talked about elsewhere but.....

Does Noromectin or Ivomectin work if it is used topicly.?
What strength Noromectin or Ivomectin should be used, 1% or 5%?
Can I adjust for 1% vs 5%?
HOw much would I use topicly on a standard bird, like a LF Cochin?
How much would I use topicly on a bantam breed, like a Silkie?

And finally... who would like to come out and work for free to help me delouse my flock? I will supply diet coke and chocolate chips!!

2 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:05 am

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This is a very good topic right now. I finished my second treatment of my flock about two weeks ago. I used ivermectin in the water 5cc per gallon for three days repeated in ten days. I use a three week withdrawal period for eating eggs.

I am wondering now if I should also dust them for lice with a topical powder. The ivermectin will take care of internal and external sucking parasites but I don't think it treats lice????
I haven't heard anyone comment on ivermectin delivered topically, I will watch the comments with interest.
I know there is a lot of people, with a lot of knowledge on this site that will help you.

3 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:10 am

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I have heard that it is good for sucking lice but not so much for the kind that live on dead skin.
I had also heard that as it is an oil, it cannot be dissolved in water, so putting it into thier drinking water is ineffective.

4 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:17 am

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As long as you use the topical ivermectin it will work Arctic, just make sure you with hold eggs for a bit. The normectin is basically the same as well, just a slightly different drug but works along the same path as ivermectin, egg withdrawl has well.
The problem with ivermectin oral in the water is it is an oily drug, therefore floats to the top in time and not all birds will get the medication, some may be getting more then they need, so watch that. If you use oral I would give it by syringe into each mouth, very time consuming.

A tip that I use for Eprinexing, I went out and purchased a 2 ml adjustable dosing autoload syring. I had to get an empty drug bottle that would fit on top, but removed the rubber plunger from the top, fill it with eprinex, place rubber stopper back on top, hold it on securely with tape, put onto autoloading syringe and go. I set the dosage to 0.5ml for standard birds, works slick. My hubby and I did ILT Vaccines and Eprinex, 187 birds in under 1 1/2 hours. I find doing the liquid eprinex under the wing works great, there is the most skin exposed there and seems to not bother the bird.

Would definately help save time and reduce wasting of the drug.

The only issue we had was the rubber stopper was leaking air, so when the syringe autoloaded it added air into the barrel and then didnt dose properly, but putting the tape around the stopper seemed to help. Just make sure you watch that there is no air bubbles in the barrel and go!


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5 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:29 am

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BRILLIANT!!!
I will contact my vet and see what I can do about getting one of those suringes right now!

Good to know about the Pour on only. I have two fair sized containers of Noromectin adn Ivomectin just sitting in the fridge. I was hoping to use them.

6 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:36 am

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I used the injectable Ivermectin in the water, it was my understanding that it mixes well with water. Question
I appeared to mix OK and at one gallon a day with the birds enclosed they did seem to use it up. I don't know if each bird got the right amount though. I imagine it would be hard to beat direct oral treatment on each bird.

7 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:03 pm

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I use ivomec ( not the brand name, just make sure ivermectin is the key ingredient, and that its the POUR ON cattle de-wormer)

I put .5 to 3/4 cc on each standard bird. I give 3/4, sometimes even up to 1 on large roosters that are fat lol Or heavy infested birds. I have accidentally given a bantam almost 2 cc's and it didnt affect it, so I am not all that worried about over dosing them. If theyre gross I give them a bit more. I put it right on the skin, on th back of the neck, high enough up so they can preen it out. I withhold eggs for 2 weeks, never had any problems. Right now is a good time as none of my birds are laying *rolls eyes* buggars lol

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8 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:27 pm

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I have the auto syringe like HR does and it does work well. If you want to be quick about it, as long as you have at least 1 helper to help watch for you, you can do it with a small night light on at night after they have roosted.
Just lift each bird off the roost, stand back a ways so you don't disturb the others and then after you have given it a squirt under the wing, put it down on the floor and grab another off the roost.
Very slick but it is really necessary to have a helper watching in case a chicken jumps off the roost on its own.(and then messes up your system!)
Because the light was so low I found they tended to stay on the floor after I put them down and not too many of ours jumped early so it worked really well last time!

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9 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:00 pm

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if you need some ivermectine arctic i have a whole jug of the pour on, its expensive and i have allot come get some if you want Smile

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10 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:06 pm

Arcticsun

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JJJ... I may just have to do that.
Im going to check my ivomec supply. If it is 5% then I think I will try using it topicly. I may be calling you!

11 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:07 pm

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No problem, I have a big enuff jug to last a life time! LoL

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12 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:55 am

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If there is no sign of lice, worms or other creepy crawlies, is it still recommended to do a complete deworming from time to time? How about dusting them with lice/flea powder just to make sure there aren't any external parasites? I would prefer not to dose the flock and be without the eggs if it isn't really necessary.

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13 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:59 am

Arcticsun

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I think a maintenance deworming is a good idea.

I like to do my crew (all species) at the end of fall then again when things really freeze. Then I know they are bug free for the winter. I do everyone again when things start to melt.

So this is twice to three times a year (unless new animals or I think they need it) and hopefully Im keeping the soil etc relatively free from worm eggs etc.

14 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:46 pm

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What is the absolute deadline to Delouse and Deworm for the Show?

I am focusing on this tomorrow, if I can find the right stuff.. Been looking for the pour on. I got the injectable but from what I have read the Pour on is better.
I plan on bathing at least a week before the show then housing all the birds I plan to show in my Garage in Temp living Cages, to condition and as well Isolate them after the have been bathed.

Triple J, do you think you could spare a cup of pour on? LOL


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15 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:49 pm

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Absolutly jonny, come on over I can spare lots I have a huge jug ahhahaha

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16 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:51 pm

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triplejfarms wrote:Absolutly jonny, come on over I can spare lots I have a huge jug ahhahaha

Sounds good, I will have to make a date of it. Perhaps tomorrow? or Wednesday. I will have to get the car from the better half.
I'll get a hold of you, and set up a time!


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17 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:54 pm

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i might go out and get groceries tomorrow but if i wont be home i will leave some in a jug on the deck or something...i should be home by 2 if i go out Smile

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18 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:01 pm

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triplejfarms wrote:i might go out and get groceries tomorrow but if i wont be home i will leave some in a jug on the deck or something...i should be home by 2 if i go out Smile

Sounds good, when I know when I have the car, I will get a hold of you and swing by.

Cheers!
You washing your birds this weekend?


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19 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:08 pm

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Sounds good! As you see I get my emails right away so just drop a line, and yea bathing this weekend

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20 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:13 pm

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TrippleJ, your coming to the show right?
Schip and I would be interesting in buying some from you, especially if you can bring it to the show. I am busy with show stuff this weekend and then the show the week after

AAAAAAH! It is so close! AAAAAAH! Shocked

21 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:17 pm

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Yes iam coming to the show I have a few birds entered... I will be there thursday evening then won't be back til sat noonish...I will bring some thursday with me...you gonna be there thurs?

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22 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:21 pm

Arcticsun

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Thursday straight through until Sunday.

Set up and Take down.... sigh...

23 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:50 pm

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Thank you again so Much Janet!

This helps Big Time. I really appreciate it very much.


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24 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:12 pm

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no problem Very Happy

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25 Re: Delousing in time for the Red Deer Show. on Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:54 pm

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Island Girl and I treated all of our birds with Ivomec, we put 3 drops on the neck of each chicken, we lifted the feathers and got it on the skin. Worked like a hot darn, held the ggs for 3 weeks?

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