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1 horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:33 pm

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Today at arena, Horsey Teen was free lunging Lily over a jump. Only Lily was not going to have any of that! She would go anywhere but over the jump. Yes, she has done this before, yes, she knows what we want. Over and over she evaded the jump, more than once almost running over me to do so. ( I was being used as the solid object to block the deek out opening )

Lily kept running into a corner and standing there, ass pointing at kid. This is also not something that makes daughter happy. SO she gets the lunge whip and, while providing a large, obvious opening for horse to move back into arena, cracks the whip. Does not hit the horse, just makes it snap. What does horse do? Does she enter the arena, the nice big arena, through the large and obvious opening allowed for her? NO! From a stand still she leaps straight up and over the 4 foot fence under her chin and goes on a run. We watch, open mouthed, from inside the arena.

I expected her to go straight to the hay shed. Again, no. She runs into the area where the poo pile is, runs way past the poo pile to a small opening in the fence way beyond. Throug the opening into a jumble of bush and thickets of shrubbery. There she briefly stops at the edge of an ice covered slough, gives it a sniff and dives in. Flailing and lumping into the ice she goes, smashing it along the way. When we got there she was way out in the water, belly deep, happily eating swamp grass sticking up from the unsmashed ice around her. Neihter hay nor a bucket of oats would bribe her out. By this time the kid is wet,muddy, scratched by rose thorns, has burrs in her hair, shirt and everywhere. She is mad and saying words I cannot reprint here.

Along comes stable owner who is alarmed over this development and says, what do you want me to do? Daughter, in a charitable mood, suggests something that some might find offensive, but it involved guns and/or dynamite. Daughter feels that it takes one heck of a stupid horse to hurl itself willingly into an ice covered pond and refust to come out. When we finally left the horse was leaping and smashing through more ice and moving perilously close to an old, rotted, floating/frozen mess of single wire fencing. we were reluctant to enter the water and risk moving her into the wire. We finally left hopingthe horse has the good sense to exit the water before is starts to freeze around her!

What are the physical consequences of a horse standing in cold water for an extended period? As I type, the horse is still likely in the swamp, since we have not heard otherwise. I am not sure what type of rescue to be organizing, but am certain something will have to be done. Teen is ANGRY at stupid choices made by a horse that had many other options open to it. She says it is not worth sending someone into that muddy, frozen slouhg to grab that horse and risk having the horse lunge on top of them or in some other way a tragedy taking place. Hope horse decides to head for other horses soon. This has not been a good day.

2 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:17 pm

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Something must have panicked her. If the horse is not rescued soon she is at risk for hypothermia which can be life threatening. How deep is the water?

3 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:22 pm

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Absolutely NOTHING panicked that horse and she did not run off at break neck speed. She merrily jogged off as if she was on a shopping trip. She stopped at the edge of the swamp, sniffed and in she went. She had many options to NOT end up in the water. I've never seen anything like it. But there was some green, frozen grass and she figured she needed that grass. Was stuffing her face when we came home.

Water varies between above her knees and almost to belly. As she sinks in to the muddy bottom, she gets lower in the water. While the water is cold, the outside air temp right now has come down to freezing. It was warmer earlier.

4 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:44 pm

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Nothing you can do. Moron horse.

Leave the area, hopefully she will come out when you are gone and hed back up to the barn. Yuo CAN NOT send out a human onto the ice. That is insane, someone could so easily get killed.

Let us know what happens.

5 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:59 pm

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I agree with Arctic. Nothing to do but hope she has the sense to come out on her own, which she probably will, on her own accord when SHE feels like it Laughing .

6 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:06 pm

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Arctic, my sense of panic is mounting. It is dark now and getting colder. Stable owner said he would call when she wandered out and came for feeding. She is a ALWAYS hungry so is likely to show up at feeding time. We left the stable and came home around 2. She wallowed into the slough around 1:40 and we spent time trying to cluck to her and coax her out with goodies. She was calmy standing there eating frozen grass.

Horsey daughter has left for work (works night shift) and threatened me that if I wade out into the frozen pond, she will be mad at me (oooh, I'm so scared!) BUT...Arctic, she shares your sentiment. She says this was a STUPID thing for the horse to do. Horse STOPPED and sniffed the ice then proceeded to walk out and go through (the ice is very thin and flakey). Daughter says that most horses do not like squishy footing and would have left the slough when they got mired in the mud. Not Lily. She was lifting one foot, testing the ice, breaking through and carryng deep er into the goo.

Vet just called...said horses have huge body mass, slow circulation and all the cold bloodtravels through a big, warm body and goes back all nice and warm into cold legs. Hypotermia is a distant worry, but still will get more likely as time goes by. Thankfully the air temp isn't too bad. But vet also advised that wading in to put a rope on her could result in unhappy outcome. There is mud, ice water and perhaps not the smartest horse on the planet.

Waiting for stable owner to call and say she has wandered up for feeding.....oh please let that be the call!

7 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:15 pm

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It is amazing the cold a horse can easily deal with. There is nothing you can do. I have had horses forever and seen them wade out like a dang moose to get swamp grass before. And then later come out.
If she is badly chilled by tomorrow then it will astually be safer to get her then, when you can think about things adn she is stiff with cold.

Hopefully the call will come soon

8 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:18 pm

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Oh dear. I think you actually have a very smart horse. She knows exactly how to get out of doing what she doesn't want to do. Sad Stupid horse.

She sound like my horse.... I gave her away because she was too much firey red head for me and she knew exactly how to push my buttons, the last straw was getting my rotator cuff ripped when she reared up as she didn't want to walk where I was leading her. Idiot me, did not let go of lead line. She is now the Island western games champion for 2011 and was for 2010 with her new owner, and frequently barrel races and does gymkhana.

So, while I don't have any advice, my inclination would be to go back to the slough with a flashlight and check if she is still in the water. Take with you a lead line, and some oats or treats in a bucket. Hide the leadline behind your back if she's out of the water, and attept capture. Whether this is right or wrong I dont know? What is right in this situation? Stupid horse.


If stupid/smart horse does make it out of the water, I would either employ a trainer or coach to work with the horse and your horsey teen, or treat the horse like a green, untrained horse for a while, and work on basics and respect - jumping fence = not respectful! Barring physical injury, refusing jumps like that = not respectful either. Sad


Sorry to read about your troubles. Hope it can all be resolved!

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9 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:14 pm

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If horse makes it out of swamp adventure alive, I might have to keep horsey teen away from her for a while. Horsey teen takes a VERY DIM VIEW of horses who pull stupid stuff, as in disrespect, and this is a monster infraction of the disrepsect variety, in teen's mind.

I know EXACTLY what will happen. I have seen horses abuse horsey teen and when she has picked herself up, mopped her bleeding lip, wiped the sand out of her eyes and patched a wounded elbow...look out horsey, the gloves are off!

This horse spent 50 times more energy avoiding the teeny jump she was asked to go over. She leapt over a 4 foot barrier (she is not a big horse) to avoid doing as she was asked. There is a corner in the arena where jumps and poles and balls and hulla hoops and whips are propped for various uses. Every horse I have ever seen avoids this mess. Lily? She blunders right into it, knocking stuff over as she goes. She did that at least 4 times today, right into the messy storage corner. What's up with that? Kid is on opposite side of arena shouting, where are you going, you stupid horse? This might not be great horse decision making, but I give her full credits for stubborn determination. Although it might kill her.

10 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:23 pm

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Just remind horsey teen that when she goes to mete out her punishment, Lily will have NO idea what she did to deserve it, as horses live completely in the moment.

If it helps I have spent a lot of time this week staring down the scope of a .423 and if stupid horse has become frozen into the muck I am available to help put her out of everyones' misery.

11 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:29 pm

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I have to say that if a cow or bull behaves like that it is gone. Too many nice animals out there to waste my time on stupid ones.

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12 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:44 pm

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Thanks there, Annie Oakley, expert with fire arms, I appreciate the offer but sure hope it doesn't come to that! By the way, any luck wiht your intended target?

Horsey teen (once calmed down after a 10 hour night shift) will not go out with punishment on her mind. However it will be zero tolerance for BS. One foot out of line and there will be sudden, abrupt and clear communication that that will NOT be tolerated.

Heda, teen said something along those lines. SHe said, to some degree you depend on a horses sense of self preservation to keep you somewhat safe on its back. A horse that demonstarates an utter lack of sense when it is not being pushed will NOT be a safe hprse to be on in an emergency. I don't know that I entirley agree with her. I think this horse is not a complete write off, not yet. She had a baby in May and prior and after very little riding was done, then for the last 2 months has been at a stable with the goal of putting weight on her. She has been asked to stand for the farrier and that is pretty much it. Daughter also feels that most mares have attitude 100 times more than a gelding and are happy to spend energy NOT doing what they are told. She is a gelding girl.

Still now word and it is almost 7. Going to get in truck and head over when Hubby is done dinner.

13 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:48 pm

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farmchiq wrote:Just remind horsey teen that when she goes to mete out her punishment, Lily will have NO idea what she did to deserve it, as horses live completely in the moment.

If it helps I have spent a lot of time this week staring down the scope of a .423 and if stupid horse has become frozen into the muck I am available to help put her out of everyones' misery.
What is a .423? Is that a new wildcat? Shocked

14 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:52 pm

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Well I said gone, not necessarily beefed. There are people out there who might be willing to take on that sort of challenge. I had a pony that bolted no matter what anyone did. I finally sold him for what I'd bought him for (took a loss on all that training etc) and he went to California where he lived at a trainer's for a year and then was never ridden outside an arena. Where he seemed to realize there wasn't much point in bolting.

In life it is important to know when to give up. Sticking to something isn't always a virtue. Daughter should be allowed to make that choice.

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15 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:26 pm

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You wanted her to jump didn't you? lol!
She just decided to do what you wanted, but how SHE wanted.

Like the cat up the tree, leave her be, and she should come out on her own. That said, I would be donning the hipwaders and getting her out myself. Glad I don't live closer!

16 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:29 pm

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I agree with horsey teen so far and hedda gobbler.

17 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:38 pm

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I would not leave her in there either. I would not endanger anyones life but I couldn't leave her there for very long. Just remind your daughter that the horse will have forgotten that she has done anything wrong so reprimanding her for it now will be useless. I hope she just trots out of the swamp like nothing was out of the ordinary!!! Hoping for a happy ending. Lou

18 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:46 pm

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she will come out, when she is ready i wouldnt worry about her she will get cold/lonely ect and she will come out.....

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19 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:50 pm

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You can lead a hourse to water, but you cant make them get out if they dont want to.

20 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:08 pm

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Best one Arctic Sun!

You may be tired but you can still make those zingers...

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21 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:13 pm

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Arctic, is that a real saying or did you just make that up?

Here's what happened.

Stable owner did not call and was not answering phone. So when Hubby was done dinner we tossed flashlights, goodies, and rope in the truck and headed off to stable to de-swamp stupid horse. I even made Hubby wear his old boots...he was unaware that I had elected him for the water portion of the rescue.

We arrive in stable yard and lights are all off, no one is home, but horse halter is hanging on fence post and her gate is closed. Sure enough she's in there, already dry and COVERED in burrs! I said, Lily, you dumb animal! She just shrugged and said, what? Turns out she had wandered out around 4 and the stable man spotted her, went down into the burr patch and took hold of her halter and guided her back to her pen. She didn't put up a fight. She never does. She's pretty placid and calm...until she leaps over a barrier and heads for the swamp.

Thank you everyone for your support and concern and Farmchiq, you can put away your gun, at lease the mercy bullet I might have needed. Thanks anyway. You're a true friend. I'm going to have a drink now.....

22 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:16 pm

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What a relief.

I found a good way to get rid of burrs is to use a lot of mazola corn oil. Mazola and a comb. Cheaper than conditioner and popular with all her horse friends.

What does Horsey Teen say now?

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23 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:20 pm

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24 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:23 pm

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Mazola? I was going to use Armor All, the slipperiest substance known to man...but I will try Mazola first.

Horsey teen is at work and has phoned three times to see what's going on. SHe is releived but still ticked off at stupid horse behaviour. How things proceed from here is anyone's guess. But I do think there is jumper potential here...

25 Re: horse in freezing swamp on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:26 pm

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If it will work on a highland cow it will certainly work on a horse. And cheaper too.

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